along, do you see signs of a deal coming together? >> well, i mean, it is a fascinating conversation. i mean, everybody says this week, right, well we're going to get together and we're going to do this. we're not going to wait until the last minute this time. it will be fine. there's this elephant in the room, which is that the president says that there will be no deal unless tax rates on the top wealthiest people in the country go up and republicans say we are not going to do that. how do you resolve that? i mean, that's a fact. >> how do you resolve that? >> can you resolve it by splitting it down the middle, but the goal here, at least for the president, is to get $1 trillion in revenues, roughly, over ten years just -- he would like more, but just from that piece of taxing more on the wealthiest americans, and i think there definitely is reason to be more optimistic now. any of us who have lived through the prior budget talks, like in the summer of 2011, i mean, like just when they came out, they came out all four of them together, two democrats, two republicans, they addressed each other by their first names.